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Trub · Mar 18, 2008, 02:47 AM // 02:47

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There is a difference between needing help because you don't know what to do, and needing help because you are bad at the game.

That my friends..is what it really boils down to..

angmar_nite · Mar 18, 2008, 03:44 AM // 03:44

All the pve guild bashers here have clearly never seen SMS alliance...

samcobra · Mar 18, 2008, 03:47 AM // 03:47

Ironically, if you're in a PvE guild whose focus is 'to get better together' and 'help each other improve,' you'll probably be just as bad at the game when you leave the game as when you entered. I don't think PvE really focuses on teaching you player skill. Maybe some basic stuff like aggro management but in all honesty, you begin to take the full extent of information out of this game and maximize efficiency, etc (actually get better at the game) when you start to PvP

Joe Fierce · Mar 18, 2008, 04:32 AM // 04:32

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Originally Posted by angmar_nite

All the pve guild bashers here have clearly never seen SMS alliance...

lol, i agree, i was once in it when i was in blazing dragons when it was in it and i learned a bit, i knew alot but, there was also always something to learn, but that was a VERY long time ago.

Racthoh · Mar 18, 2008, 05:45 AM // 05:45

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Originally Posted by samcobra

I don't think PvE really focuses on teaching you player skill.

It doesn't, and no one wants to learn or get better. It's about looking pretty and how to look pretty in the quickest amount of time.

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Maybe some basic stuff like aggro management but in all honesty, you begin to take the full extent of information out of this game and maximize efficiency, etc (actually get better at the game) when you start to PvP

Agreed. It does a world of good for everyone to dabble into PvP.

Kaelyn the Dove · Mar 18, 2008, 06:23 AM // 06:23

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Oh right-
I forgot there are guilds, as in, ab (cough), ra, ta, ha, HB guilds, that are considered pvp guilds.

Let me clarify my definition of "pvp" guild:
GvG Guild.

Oh yeah, those ha scrub guilds, it's not like they win monthlies or anything.. .oh wait, who won the February tourney?

Ama Seraphim · Mar 18, 2008, 06:26 AM // 06:26

actually depending on the guild you get into is going to depend if you get officers/leader/members that are willing to help you learn what the heck you are doing wrong in the first place.. be it from builds, armor, runes/insignias, what to attack and when and how to shut others down.. I will agree that a PvX guild is a good balance for anyone.. teaches them a little something about all aspects of the game.. i don't care if a person is the BEST at PVE/PVP.. if they can't understand simple statments.. like don't run in there.. attack what is called... then it is 'time out' to teach the player some 'skills'.

And Tarin.. there are alot of guilds out there that do PvX... word of advice.. see if you can join any on a probationary system... *example, mine has a two week time to see if everyone meshes, if not.. no hard feelings, but while that person is in the guild we will do our best to make the player feel welcome and to help in anyway. be it from missions, quests to even helping someone that just wants to get their feet wet on the pvp side and needs ppl to practice against.*

and seriously boys/girls.. why does everyone have to get their panties in a bunch when it comes to PvP/PvE?.. it is a freaking game.. get over it.. have fun.. everyone plays it on one side or the other or even both, because they enjoy it.. and fyi, elitism has found its way into both aspects of the game..

Joe Fierce · Mar 18, 2008, 07:29 AM // 07:29

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Originally Posted by Racthoh

It doesn't, and no one wants to learn or get better. It's about looking pretty and how to look pretty in the quickest amount of time.

Agreed. It does a world of good for everyone to dabble into PvP.

i can certainly agree with that as it teaches alot people how to come up with..lets see...how do i put this.... original builds! or maybe how to have definitive front mid and back lines, how to split when necissary, how to make a build thats self reliant rather than completely based upon the team, the list of reasons why people shouldn't stick to only one side of the game goes on and on, some pve only people are ignorant, but pvp only people can be just as bad. so, it kinda boils down to not a play style for a generalized group but for that specific person.

Racthoh · Mar 18, 2008, 09:52 PM // 21:52

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Originally Posted by Joe Fierce

some pve only people are ignorant, but pvp only people can be just as bad.

I've seen very few PvPers who were outright terrible at PvE. Because they generally know the game and how it works they know how to not be bad, unlike PvErs who either pick up bad habits from PuGs or H/H everything which doesn't allow them to learn very much at all. If you PvP you use the best skills, in PvE pretty much anything works for a good majority of the game. Constant wipes until you're at 60 DP doesn't teach a PvEr which skills are good and which are bad, nor does having a monk with Rebirth pull bodies out of a mob that overwhelmed them. PvP... well, if you run some kind of gimmick then you're going to be pretty bad at PvE too.

Not surprisingly some of the best players at PvE I've had/have in my guild have had trims, impressive champ/hero/gladiator titles, and a resume of previous PvP guilds.

Joe Fierce · Mar 18, 2008, 10:10 PM // 22:10

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Originally Posted by Racthoh

I've seen very few PvPers who were outright terrible at PvE. Because they generally know the game and how it works they know how to not be bad, unlike PvErs who either pick up bad habits from PuGs or H/H everything which doesn't allow them to learn very much at all. If you PvP you use the best skills, in PvE pretty much anything works for a good majority of the game. Constant wipes until you're at 60 DP doesn't teach a PvEr which skills are good and which are bad, nor does having a monk with Rebirth pull bodies out of a mob that overwhelmed them. PvP... well, if you run some kind of gimmick then you're going to be pretty bad at PvE too.

Not surprisingly some of the best players at PvE I've had/have in my guild have had trims, impressive champ/hero/gladiator titles, and a resume of previous PvP guilds.

i can agree with your statements but still maintain the position that there are SOME things to learn from pve, and i still maintain my position that any good player should maintain a steady run of both sections of the game if they are to wish to do well in either fields... so what i'm saying is.. it is the people who don't do both at least a little that are often lost.

Mar 18, 2008, 03:44 AM // 03:44	#22
angmar_nite Jungle Guide Join Date: Feb 2007 Guild: [SNOW] of [YUM] Profession: E/	All the pve guild bashers here have clearly never seen SMS alliance...

Mar 18, 2008, 03:47 AM // 03:47	#23
samcobra Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: USA Profession: Mo/Me	Ironically, if you're in a PvE guild whose focus is 'to get better together' and 'help each other improve,' you'll probably be just as bad at the game when you leave the game as when you entered. I don't think PvE really focuses on teaching you player skill. Maybe some basic stuff like aggro management but in all honesty, you begin to take the full extent of information out of this game and maximize efficiency, etc (actually get better at the game) when you start to PvP

Mar 18, 2008, 06:26 AM // 06:26	#27
Ama Seraphim Academy Page Join Date: Apr 2007 Guild: War Torn [Torn] - Guild Leader Profession: D/R	actually depending on the guild you get into is going to depend if you get officers/leader/members that are willing to help you learn what the heck you are doing wrong in the first place.. be it from builds, armor, runes/insignias, what to attack and when and how to shut others down.. I will agree that a PvX guild is a good balance for anyone.. teaches them a little something about all aspects of the game.. i don't care if a person is the BEST at PVE/PVP.. if they can't understand simple statments.. like don't run in there.. attack what is called... then it is 'time out' to teach the player some 'skills'. And Tarin.. there are alot of guilds out there that do PvX... word of advice.. see if you can join any on a probationary system... example, mine has a two week time to see if everyone meshes, if not.. no hard feelings, but while that person is in the guild we will do our best to make the player feel welcome and to help in anyway. be it from missions, quests to even helping someone that just wants to get their feet wet on the pvp side and needs ppl to practice against. and seriously boys/girls.. why does everyone have to get their panties in a bunch when it comes to PvP/PvE?.. it is a freaking game.. get over it.. have fun.. everyone plays it on one side or the other or even both, because they enjoy it.. and fyi, elitism has found its way into both aspects of the game..